A classic blog-and-forth, my favorite form of internet discussion.

Paul Lewis does some research on the performance of differnet frameworks, pitting each of their TodoMVC versions against one another:

For me the results are pretty clear: there appears to be a pretty hefty tax to using Frameworks on mobile, especially compared to writing vanilla JavaScript.

Tom Dale:

Most critics miss the key [value to using a framework]: frameworks let you manage the complexity of your application as it and the team building it grows over time. All of the other stuff is just gravy.

and

… my hypothesis is that, for apps of any complexity, the ones that start off